diff --git a/libse/SubtitleFormats/SubtitleFormat.cs b/libse/SubtitleFormats/SubtitleFormat.cs
index 8e8aef7c5..3d6659980 100644
--- a/libse/SubtitleFormats/SubtitleFormat.cs
+++ b/libse/SubtitleFormats/SubtitleFormat.cs
@@ -507,12 +507,20 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Core.SubtitleFormats
         {
             var formats = new SubtitleFormat[]
             {
-                new FinalCutProImage(),
-                new SpuImage(),
-                new Ebu(),
-                new BdnXml(),
-                new Pac(),
-                new Cavena890(),
+                new Ebu(), new Pac(),new PacUnicode(), new Cavena890(), new Spt(), new CheetahCaption(),
+                new Chk(), new Ayato(), new CapMakerPlus(), new Captionate(), new Ultech130(), new NciCaption(), new AvidStl(),
+                new WinCaps32(),  new IsmtDfxp(), new Cavena890(), new Spt(), new IaiSub(), new ELRStudioClosedCaption(), new CaptionsInc()
+            };
+            return formats;
+        }
+
+        public static SubtitleFormat[] GetTextOtherFormats()
+        {
+            var formats = new SubtitleFormat[]
+            {
+                new DlDd(),new Ted20(),  new CapMakerPlus(), new Captionate(),
+                new TimeLineAscii(), new TimeLineFootageAscii(),  new TimedTextImage(), new FinalCutProImage(),
+                new SpuImage(), new Dost(), new SeImageHtmlIndex(), new BdnXml()
             };
             return formats;
         }
diff --git a/src/Forms/BatchConvert.cs b/src/Forms/BatchConvert.cs
index a0d2a5646..f115f119f 100644
--- a/src/Forms/BatchConvert.cs
+++ b/src/Forms/BatchConvert.cs
@@ -79,6 +79,8 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
         private string _customTextTemplate;
         private readonly DurationsBridgeGaps _bridgeGaps;
         private const int ConvertMaxFileSize = 1024 * 1024 * 10; // 10 MB
+        private SubtitleFormat[] _formatsBinary;
+        private SubtitleFormat[] _formatsOtherText;
 
         public BatchConvert(Icon icon)
         {
@@ -87,6 +89,9 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
             UiUtil.FixFonts(this);
             Icon = (Icon)icon.Clone();
 
+            _formatsBinary = SubtitleFormat.GetBinaryFormats();
+            _formatsOtherText = SubtitleFormat.GetTextOtherFormats();
+
             progressBar1.Visible = false;
             labelStatus.Text = string.Empty;
             var l = Configuration.Settings.Language.BatchConvert;
@@ -317,201 +322,29 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
 
                         if (format == null)
                         {
-                            var ebu = new Ebu();
-                            if (ebu.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                            foreach (var f in _formatsBinary)
                             {
-                                format = ebu;
+                                if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                {
+                                    f.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
+                                    format = f;
+                                    break;
+                                }
                             }
                         }
+
                         if (format == null)
                         {
-                            var pac = new Pac();
-                            if (pac.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                            var encoding = LanguageAutoDetect.GetEncodingFromFile(fileName);
+                            var lines = FileUtil.ReadAllTextShared(fileName, encoding).SplitToLines();
+                            foreach (var f in _formatsOtherText)
                             {
-                                format = pac;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var cavena890 = new Cavena890();
-                            if (cavena890.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = cavena890;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var spt = new Spt();
-                            if (spt.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = spt;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var cheetahCaption = new CheetahCaption();
-                            if (cheetahCaption.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = cheetahCaption;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var chk = new Chk();
-                            if (chk.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = chk;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var ayato = new Ayato();
-                            if (ayato.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = ayato;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var f = new PacUnicode();
-                            if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = f;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var f = new IaiSub();
-                            if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = f;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        var lines = new List<string>();
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            lines = File.ReadAllText(fileName).SplitToLines();
-                            var f = new DlDd();
-                            if (f.IsMine(lines, fileName)) // not binary, so text lines are needed
-                            {
-                                format = f;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var f = new Ted20();
-                            if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = f;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var capMakerPlus = new CapMakerPlus();
-                            if (capMakerPlus.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = capMakerPlus;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var captionate = new Captionate();
-                            if (captionate.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = captionate;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var ultech130 = new Ultech130();
-                            if (ultech130.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = ultech130;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var nciCaption = new NciCaption();
-                            if (nciCaption.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = nciCaption;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var avidStl = new AvidStl();
-                            if (avidStl.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = avidStl;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var asc = new TimeLineAscii();
-                            if (asc.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = asc;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var asc = new TimeLineFootageAscii();
-                            if (asc.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = asc;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var timedTextImage = new TimedTextImage();
-                            if (timedTextImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                format = timedTextImage;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var finalCutProImage = new FinalCutProImage();
-                            if (finalCutProImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                finalCutProImage.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = finalCutProImage;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var spuImage = new SpuImage();
-                            if (spuImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                spuImage.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = spuImage;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var dost = new Dost();
-                            if (dost.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                dost.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = dost;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var seImageHtmlIndex = new SeImageHtmlIndex();
-                            if (seImageHtmlIndex.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                seImageHtmlIndex.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = seImageHtmlIndex;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var bdnXml = new BdnXml();
-                            if (bdnXml.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                bdnXml.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = bdnXml;
+                                if (f.IsMine(lines, fileName))
+                                {
+                                    f.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
+                                    format = f;
+                                    break;
+                                }
                             }
                         }
                     }
@@ -778,142 +611,32 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
                     if (fi.Length < ConvertMaxFileSize && !FileUtil.IsBluRaySup(fileName) && !FileUtil.IsVobSub(fileName))
                     {
                         format = sub.LoadSubtitle(fileName, out _, null);
+
                         if (format == null)
                         {
-                            var ebu = new Ebu();
-                            if (ebu.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                            foreach (var f in _formatsBinary)
                             {
-                                ebu.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = ebu;
+                                if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                {
+                                    f.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
+                                    format = f;
+                                    break;
+                                }
                             }
                         }
+
                         if (format == null)
                         {
-                            var pac = new Pac();
-                            if (pac.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                            var encoding = LanguageAutoDetect.GetEncodingFromFile(fileName);
+                            var lines = FileUtil.ReadAllTextShared(fileName, encoding).SplitToLines();
+                            foreach (var f in _formatsOtherText)
                             {
-                                pac.BatchMode = true;
-                                pac.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = pac;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var cavena890 = new Cavena890();
-                            if (cavena890.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                cavena890.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = cavena890;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var spt = new Spt();
-                            if (spt.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                spt.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = spt;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var cheetahCaption = new CheetahCaption();
-                            if (cheetahCaption.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                cheetahCaption.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = cheetahCaption;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var chk = new Chk();
-                            if (chk.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                chk.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = chk;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var ayato = new Ayato();
-                            if (ayato.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                ayato.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = ayato;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var capMakerPlus = new CapMakerPlus();
-                            if (capMakerPlus.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                capMakerPlus.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = capMakerPlus;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var captionate = new Captionate();
-                            if (captionate.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                captionate.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = captionate;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var ultech130 = new Ultech130();
-                            if (ultech130.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                ultech130.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = ultech130;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var nciCaption = new NciCaption();
-                            if (nciCaption.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                nciCaption.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = nciCaption;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var avidStl = new AvidStl();
-                            if (avidStl.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                avidStl.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = avidStl;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var elr = new ELRStudioClosedCaption();
-                            if (elr.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                            {
-                                elr.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                format = elr;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        var lines = new List<string>();
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            lines = File.ReadAllText(fileName).SplitToLines();
-                            var timedTextImage = new TimedTextImage();
-                            if (timedTextImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                timedTextImage.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = timedTextImage;
-                            }
-                        }
-                        if (format == null)
-                        {
-                            var bdnXml = new BdnXml();
-                            if (bdnXml.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                            {
-                                bdnXml.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                format = bdnXml;
+                                if (f.IsMine(lines, fileName))
+                                {
+                                    f.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
+                                    format = f;
+                                    break;
+                                }
                             }
                         }
 
@@ -1885,6 +1608,9 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
                             {
                                 var sub = new Subtitle();
                                 var format = sub.LoadSubtitle(fileName, out _, null);
+
+                                var formats = new List<SubtitleFormat> { };
+
                                 if (format == null)
                                 {
                                     var ebu = new Ebu();
@@ -1981,6 +1707,24 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
                                         format = avidStl;
                                     }
                                 }
+                                if (format == null)
+                                {
+                                    var f = new WinCaps32();
+                                    if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                    {
+                                        f.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
+                                        format = f;
+                                    }
+                                }
+                                if (format == null)
+                                {
+                                    var f = new IsmtDfxp();
+                                    if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                    {
+                                        f.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
+                                        format = f;
+                                    }
+                                }
 
                                 var lines = new List<string>();
                                 if (format == null)
diff --git a/src/Forms/JoinSubtitles.cs b/src/Forms/JoinSubtitles.cs
index 4e21607b3..b4f6793d5 100644
--- a/src/Forms/JoinSubtitles.cs
+++ b/src/Forms/JoinSubtitles.cs
@@ -116,6 +116,22 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
                         }
                     }
 
+                    if (format == null)
+                    {
+                        var encoding = LanguageAutoDetect.GetEncodingFromFile(fileName);
+                        var lines = FileUtil.ReadAllTextShared(fileName, encoding).SplitToLines();
+                        foreach (var f in SubtitleFormat.GetTextOtherFormats())
+                        {
+                            if (f.IsMine(lines, fileName))
+                            {
+                                _fileNamesToJoin.Add(fileName);
+                                f.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
+                                format = f;
+                                break;
+                            }
+                        }
+                    }
+
                     if (format == null)
                     {
                         for (int j = k; j < _fileNamesToJoin.Count; j++)
diff --git a/src/Forms/Main.cs b/src/Forms/Main.cs
index dab2b553e..a9144d273 100644
--- a/src/Forms/Main.cs
+++ b/src/Forms/Main.cs
@@ -17084,7 +17084,7 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Forms
 
                 if (format == null)
                 {
-                    var formats = SubtitleFormat.GetBinaryFormats().Union(new SubtitleFormat[]
+                    var formats = SubtitleFormat.GetBinaryFormats().Union(SubtitleFormat.GetTextOtherFormats()).Union(new SubtitleFormat[]
                     {
                         new TimeCodesOnly1(),
                         new TimeCodesOnly2()
diff --git a/src/Logic/CommandLineConvert.cs b/src/Logic/CommandLineConvert.cs
index 1ad08598f..0a5735982 100644
--- a/src/Logic/CommandLineConvert.cs
+++ b/src/Logic/CommandLineConvert.cs
@@ -545,179 +545,32 @@ namespace Nikse.SubtitleEdit.Logic
                                     format = ebu;
                                 }
                             }
+
                             if (format == null)
                             {
-                                var pac = new Pac();
-                                if (pac.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                foreach (var f in SubtitleFormat.GetBinaryFormats())
                                 {
-                                    pac.BatchMode = true;
-                                    pac.CodePage = pacCodePage;
-                                    pac.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = pac;
+                                    if (f.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                    {
+                                        f.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
+                                        format = f;
+                                        break;
+                                    }
                                 }
                             }
+
                             if (format == null)
                             {
-                                var cavena890 = new Cavena890();
-                                if (cavena890.IsMine(null, fileName))
+                                var encoding = LanguageAutoDetect.GetEncodingFromFile(fileName);
+                                var lines = FileUtil.ReadAllTextShared(fileName, encoding).SplitToLines();
+                                foreach (var f in SubtitleFormat.GetTextOtherFormats())
                                 {
-                                    cavena890.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = cavena890;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var spt = new Spt();
-                                if (spt.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    spt.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = spt;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var cheetahCaption = new CheetahCaption();
-                                if (cheetahCaption.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    cheetahCaption.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = cheetahCaption;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var chk = new Chk();
-                                if (chk.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    chk.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = chk;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var ayato = new Ayato();
-                                if (ayato.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    ayato.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = ayato;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var capMakerPlus = new CapMakerPlus();
-                                if (capMakerPlus.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    capMakerPlus.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = capMakerPlus;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var captionate = new Captionate();
-                                if (captionate.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    captionate.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = captionate;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var ultech130 = new Ultech130();
-                                if (ultech130.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    ultech130.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = ultech130;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var nciCaption = new NciCaption();
-                                if (nciCaption.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    nciCaption.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = nciCaption;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var tsb4 = new TSB4();
-                                if (tsb4.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    tsb4.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = tsb4;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var avidStl = new AvidStl();
-                                if (avidStl.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    avidStl.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = avidStl;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var elr = new ELRStudioClosedCaption();
-                                if (elr.IsMine(null, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    elr.LoadSubtitle(sub, null, fileName);
-                                    format = elr;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            var lines = new List<string>();
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                lines = File.ReadAllText(fileName).SplitToLines();
-                                var timedTextImage = new TimedTextImage();
-                                if (timedTextImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    timedTextImage.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                    format = timedTextImage;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var finalCutProImage = new FinalCutProImage();
-                                if (finalCutProImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    finalCutProImage.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                    format = finalCutProImage;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var spuImage = new SpuImage();
-                                if (spuImage.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    spuImage.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                    format = spuImage;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var dost = new Dost();
-                                if (dost.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    dost.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                    format = dost;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var seImageHtmlIndex = new SeImageHtmlIndex();
-                                if (seImageHtmlIndex.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    seImageHtmlIndex.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                    format = seImageHtmlIndex;
-                                }
-                            }
-                            if (format == null)
-                            {
-                                var bdnXml = new BdnXml();
-                                if (bdnXml.IsMine(lines, fileName))
-                                {
-                                    bdnXml.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
-                                    format = bdnXml;
+                                    if (f.IsMine(lines, fileName))
+                                    {
+                                        f.LoadSubtitle(sub, lines, fileName);
+                                        format = f;
+                                        break;
+                                    }
                                 }
                             }